ok, WTF!!! no engine braking in emergency situations???

[lonesoldier84]

And while harsh use of the rear brake, ever, is dangerous, there is one thing that is dumber still - using your engine to 'assist' during a panic stop. Your engine is NOT A BRAKE! Further, it only affects the rear wheel which we have already seen is easily stopped (locked) with even modest rear brake usage by itself. (In other words, during a panic stop situation you want your clutch lever pulled all the way to the grip. In no way is this to be taken as a suggestion not to use normal engine braking resulting from throttle roll-off.)

wtf, i have been told by quite a few riders to use my engine to help me brake in emergency situations and have even been practicing its use in case i needed it in an emergency.

[Avalon786]

The way i was told and also the way i do is to first apply rear brake (it will stabilize the bike) then apply lots of front brake and pull the clutch lever in all the way...
I use engine braking in normal riding conditions. But in an emergency it would depend...

Just a thought and truly my own personal preference; the bike has a number of things to bleed energy when stopping and the brakes are but one of the three I use. When it's time to stop in the shortest distance possible I use the brakes, clutch, transmission and if necessary I'm throwing the pillion off the back for a boat anchor. Well, maybe the pillion can stay on but the rest is true.

[Fred]

In an emergency, I'm on both brakes pretty hard and generally downshifting at the same time in case I need to accelerate. It's just habit for me, I downshift when I'm slowing down. It's also how they taught me in MSF. When you do a panic stop, you should come to a halt with the clutch in and the bike in 1st.

But since I'm downshifting, I've got the clutch in and engine braking is not a factor.

You really don't need to engine brake in a panic stop. Your rear brake has more than enough power to stop the wheel on its own.

Oh yeah, I also scream bloody murder through the entire event. The pressure of the sound waves exiting my mouth helps to slow me down.

Fred

P.S. Who are you quoting? I'd be interested in reading the full text.

[lonesoldier84]

msgroup.org

find the link on there for the hundreds of tips, each tip has an essay, its brilliant

but surely engine braking is more powerful than rear brake

[cv_rider]

Engine braking slows the rear wheel just like the rear brake. But probably harder to control unless you have much better skills. Seems to increase the chance of rear wheel lockup. Proficient Motorcycling says in emergency to progressively squeeze the front for 1 second to transfer weight, and then grab it hard when the traction has increased. And use the rear too, but that seems to be something of an afterthought.

Hard for me to imagine what the reference is suggesting for engine braking in emergency. Maybe for the emergency that your brakes have failed. Another issue with engine braking is that it doesn't light up your tail light.

[lonesoldier84]

so dont use engine braking in emergency? but its so effective?

[Keits]

In the msf class I was taught to clutch-in, apply both brakes simutaneously paying attention to not lock either up and downshift to first in an emergency stop. In my limited experience, engine braking is good in general and even in a tight spot but in an emergency situation, clutch-in and use your brakes. Engine braking in an emergency might add tenths of a second to your effective reaction time. But then again, every situation is different and I guess only experience can truly dictate what one should do in a given emergency.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by lonesoldier84

but surely engine braking is more powerful than rear brake

You're kidding, right?

Look at it this way. Engine breaking or using the rear brake. Which one can cause the rear wheel to skid?

That tells you which one is more powerful.

[bluenova]

Originally Posted by Some very bizaar site that gives strange advice

In other words, during a panic stop situation you want your clutch lever pulled all the way to the grip.

What a lot of ball bags. The engine should always be engaged in any situation unless you are changing gear which should only take a split second.