Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear - Yamaha FZ6 Forums - International FZ6 Motorcycle Community Forum

snowmannn · 08-12-2008, 01:52 AM

I've got my S2 for about 3 months now and I'm still getting used to smooth shifting. I learned to blip the throttle to smooth downshifting and to operate quickly with the clutch lever/throttle/shift lever in order to get better upshifts. However, I still can't get 1st to 2nd gear upshift to go smoothly. Most of the time I hear a strong click sound when getting into 2nd gear and I wonder if this is normal. Do you know if there's a way to make this particular gear upshift go smooth every time or is it a peculiarity of the FZ6?

Thanks

P.S. I noticed (and also read in other posts) that when revving at >=6000RPM and I'm above 1st, the upshifting becomes incredibly smooth and easy.

xj750_Pete · 08-12-2008, 02:09 AM

My trick for upshifting from 1-2 is to not completely shut off the throttle while shifting. Usuaully I just accelerate, roll throttle forward enough to not allow the revs to drop too much, but enough to unload transmission, clutch in, shift, roll back on throttle and clutch out. I find that it is easier to do this if the throttle play is adjusted correctly. It took me about a week to get it down, but once I got it, it was very satisfying.

DaFiz · 08-12-2008, 02:43 AM

There's a distinct "CLUNK" as I change to second no matter what I do, so I use the first gear only to pull away and change to second way sooner than I should. I've learned to live with this as one of my older Yamahas (1.1Special) had no second gear at all...

lattin25 · 08-12-2008, 03:35 AM

Don't worry its not just you!! If I'm not mistaken, everyones fz6 does it. Mine sure does, I can only get it real smooth every once in a while, but as far as I'm concerned its not a big deal. You can try preloading the shifter. (Apply some upward pressure before you begin to let off throttle and disengage clutch.) It should pop to 2nd a little quicker and smoother.

**Doorag** · 08-12-2008, 04:13 AM

I've actually go to the point I can shift from 1-2 smoothly without the clutch at all. It tends to work best under moderate acceleration.

dankatz · 08-12-2008, 05:15 AM

It is the most annoying feature of the bike in my opinion. It is certainly not you. Things that helped me: at 1600 miles it has gotten smoother with time. Rotella T synthetic oil helped (probably any synthetic oil eventually help), short shift 1-2, i.e. make the shift at 3k rpm, no higher, put your foot under the gear change and give it a touch pressure before you shift. It has made this much more bearable, but still, about 30% of the time it is clunky. Annoying. If the bike had more torque I would not care, but changing at 3k rpm can be dangerous if you are in the midst of traffic and need to have reserve on you.

madmanmaigret · 08-12-2008, 06:05 AM

I agree with the pre-load theory. If you put some pressure on there before you shift it makes it much less "clunky"

OneTrack · 08-12-2008, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xj750_Pete

My trick for upshifting from 1-2 is to not completely shut off the throttle while shifting. Usuaully I just accelerate, roll throttle forward enough to not allow the revs to drop too much, but enough to unload transmission, clutch in, shift, roll back on throttle and clutch out. I find that it is easier to do this if the throttle play is adjusted correctly. It took me about a week to get it down, but once I got it, it was very satisfying.

That's the key to eliminate the jerky upshifting (2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th as well, not just 1st to 2nd) when first "bonding" with an FZ6. Fully closing the throttle during upshifts through the 3 lower gears will cause a jerk, no matter how much you preload the shifter.
Point to note: Clutchless upshifts without closing the throttle are wonderful, but the first time I tried it from 1st to 2nd after accelerating WOT in 1st gear caused the front wheel to go into a low earth orbit. That scared grandpa, so he will never try THAT again.

Preloading the shifter is the best advice I got, particularly for that pesky 1st to 2nd shift. As the previous poster mention, get as much freeplay out of the throttle cable as you can, while ensuring that the throttle still closes completely when released.
Good quality, well fitting boots helped with my shifting too....really.

steveindenmark · 08-12-2008, 10:12 AM

What is 2nd gear and what is it for??

I go straight from first into 3rd.

Can`t they take some gears out of this bike?

Steve

stevesnj · 08-12-2008, 10:15 AM

I want a 7th gear added...im always looking for it anyway

08-12-2008, 01:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
snowmannn Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: BG Bike: FZ6 Fazer S2 2007 Posts: 65 Rep Power: 3 Member #2728	Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear I've got my S2 for about 3 months now and I'm still getting used to smooth shifting. I learned to blip the throttle to smooth downshifting and to operate quickly with the clutch lever/throttle/shift lever in order to get better upshifts. However, I still can't get 1st to 2nd gear upshift to go smoothly. Most of the time I hear a strong click sound when getting into 2nd gear and I wonder if this is normal. Do you know if there's a way to make this particular gear upshift go smooth every time or is it a peculiarity of the FZ6? Thanks P.S. I noticed (and also read in other posts) that when revving at >=6000RPM and I'm above 1st, the upshifting becomes incredibly smooth and easy. __________________ "A man in passion rides a mad horse." - Ben Franklin

08-12-2008, 02:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
xj750_Pete Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: El Monte, So Cal Bike: 2007 Red FZ6 Posts: 229 Rep Power: 5 Member #2893	Re: Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear My trick for upshifting from 1-2 is to not completely shut off the throttle while shifting. Usuaully I just accelerate, roll throttle forward enough to not allow the revs to drop too much, but enough to unload transmission, clutch in, shift, roll back on throttle and clutch out. I find that it is easier to do this if the throttle play is adjusted correctly. It took me about a week to get it down, but once I got it, it was very satisfying.

08-12-2008, 02:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
DaFiz Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Cape Town Bike: fizzer Posts: 36 Rep Power: 2 Member #4239	Re: Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear There's a distinct "CLUNK" as I change to second no matter what I do, so I use the first gear only to pull away and change to second way sooner than I should. I've learned to live with this as one of my older Yamahas (1.1Special) had no second gear at all... __________________ Some things will never change That's just the way it is

08-12-2008, 03:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
lattin25 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Reno, NV Bike: 07' FZ6 Posts: 186 Rep Power: 3 Member #3907	Re: Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear Don't worry its not just you!! If I'm not mistaken, everyones fz6 does it. Mine sure does, I can only get it real smooth every once in a while, but as far as I'm concerned its not a big deal. You can try preloading the shifter. (Apply some upward pressure before you begin to let off throttle and disengage clutch.) It should pop to 2nd a little quicker and smoother. __________________ live to ride another day!! Done: Airbox Mod, Changed to Full Synthetic, FE Kit, Small Front Signals, Speedohealer, Puig Racing Windscreen, AXIO Tailbag, BMC Air Filter, Scorpio sr-i900 alarm system, Shogun Frame Sliders, Anodized footpegs To do: M4 Exhaust, PCIII, Dual Headlight Mod,+1 front sprocket for commuting, Cut stock windscreen, Pazzo levers, Galfer lines, R6 forks, Cat eliminator, Remove canister, Grips, De-California-Ize

08-12-2008, 04:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
Doorag Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West London Bike: 2007 FZ6-S2 Posts: 1,045 Rep Power: 25 Member #1338	Re: Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear I've actually go to the point I can shift from 1-2 smoothly without the clutch at all. It tends to work best under moderate acceleration. __________________ David '07 FZ6 Fazer S2 in stealth Black, CAT1/2 alarm, stainless Scorpion cans, Puig dark smoke screen, bd43's dual headlight mod complete with uprated Xenon bulbs, Yamaha (GIVI) 45L detachable rear 'courier' box, frame sliders, center stand removal, red reflective rim tape, Reiobard's swing-arm stickers, Conti RoadAttack tires, full sticker removal

08-12-2008, 05:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
dankatz Commuter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Boston Bike: 2008 Cobalt Blue FZ6 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 7 Member #1154	Re: Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear It is the most annoying feature of the bike in my opinion. It is certainly not you. Things that helped me: at 1600 miles it has gotten smoother with time. Rotella T synthetic oil helped (probably any synthetic oil eventually help), short shift 1-2, i.e. make the shift at 3k rpm, no higher, put your foot under the gear change and give it a touch pressure before you shift. It has made this much more bearable, but still, about 30% of the time it is clunky. Annoying. If the bike had more torque I would not care, but changing at 3k rpm can be dangerous if you are in the midst of traffic and need to have reserve on you.

08-12-2008, 06:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
madmanmaigret Mad like crazy not angry Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sarasota, FL Bike: 08 FZ6 Cobalt Blue (fastest color from FZ1) Posts: 1,749 Rep Power: 983 Member #1085	Re: Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear I agree with the pre-load theory. If you put some pressure on there before you shift it makes it much less "clunky" __________________ 2008 Cobalt Blue FZ6: Purchased October 31st, 2007 Mods:Painted: radiator covers, exhaust covers, and rear footpegs. FAZR6 Fender Eliminator. FS6 Sliders W/Motovation Hardware. Minor Airbox Mod. Sticker removal. To Be Continued... GO RED SOX!!!!!!

08-12-2008, 10:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
steveindenmark Older Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Denmark Bike: 2006 FZ6 Posts: 1,032 Rep Power: 14 Member #1326	Re: Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear What is 2nd gear and what is it for?? I go straight from first into 3rd. Can`t they take some gears out of this bike? Steve

08-12-2008, 10:15 AM	#10 (permalink)
stevesnj Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bellmawr, NJ Bike: '07 FZ6 blue Posts: 276 Rep Power: 0 Member #2087	Re: Upshifting from 1st to 2nd gear I want a 7th gear added...im always looking for it anyway

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