Global weather madness

[DaFiz]

OK so I'm NOT in New Orleans thank goodness, but today is 01 September and traditionally it is the first day of spring in my world. Yesterday was so bad I dared not take the bike out of the garage. Cold and wet and incredibly blustery, News24 reports the worst storms in a decade in Cape Town, even under my duvet I was shivering

Happy Spring day Y'All

[mastakilla]

the climate is going ballistic. I wonder how much longer it'll take before officials admit that man did indeed cause this, so we can start taking appropriate action!

[abraxas]

Yeah we had an icy cold wind pull in here yesterday and today. Cape Town gets it worst though, we just get what's left over ....

Good move DaFiz, no need to get blown into the sea ;-)

[wrightme43]

Please spend some time investigating sunspot cycles, and thier effect on the climate of all the planets in our solar system.


Global warming is a hoax, based on manipulated data, run in computer models that show a hook no matter what data is put in.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3393

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3406

I know it is very easy to dismiss this and believe in man made warming.

Where have all the sunspots gone? Watts Up With That?


http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/pastandfuture.pdf this one is from a Aussie.

Seriously if you will really research it, you may for a opinion other that the one provided by the talking heads, and those that would profit from the global warming scare.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by wrightme43

Please spend some time investigating sunspot cycles, and thier effect on the climate of all the planets in our solar system.


Global warming is a hoax, based on manipulated data, run in computer models that show a hook no matter what data is put in.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3393

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3406

I know it is very easy to dismiss this and believe in man made warming.

Where have all the sunspots gone? Watts Up With That?


http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/pastandfuture.pdf this one is from a Aussie.

Seriously if you will really research it, you may for a opinion other that the one provided by the talking heads, and those that would profit from the global warming scare.

Hmmm, some interesting stuff to ponder there...am a great "believer" in conspiracy theories, so am dubious of most things the main stream media likes to try and make us digest as the "truth"...look at the Y2K scare for example, we all had our knickers in a knot over that one! turned out to be nothing.

[FZ6-ZN]

So, who takes the blame for the ice age? Global warming is a lot of bull.

Everything in life is cyclic, the changes in weather pattern is part of the cycle.

The lack of fresh water is something to worry about.

[abraxas]

My humble opinion differs from those above. But very good links there Wrightme

Global warming is real .... and not natural either. I guess it's hard to judge, since the data is really confusing, and any spin can lead to any conclusion.

My opinion is based on the visible evidence of ice melting, worldwide. What i think is an "issue" is what's causing it. My take is that cell phones, radio towers, HAARP, and all manner of electronic noice has turned this planet into a great big microwave oven. "THEM" that are spraying barium and other minerals into the atmosphere (to assist with 3-D battlefield rendering) are literally creating the global warming phenomenon.

It isn't natural, and it isn't our fault ... me farting is NOT a threat to mankind ... yet. But we are the frogs on the saucepan, not only that, we're told it's our own fault for being there, and that we're stupid for not getting out.

[Rushiku]

Originally Posted by wrightme43

Global warming is a hoax, based on manipulated data, run in computer models that show a hook no matter what data is put in.

Seriously if you will really research it, you may for a opinion other that the one provided by the talking heads, and those that would profit from the global warming scare.

Odd then that your take is in line with the 2% of scientists left that don't agree that 1) the climate is changing and 2) that change has been caused by mankind.

Looking back over the last 600,000 years, as they can and have with ice coring, CO2 levels have never, ever been as high as they are now. CO2 levels have spiked in the last 100 years...about the time mankind started burning vast quantities of fossil fuels, a coincidence? Yes, surely you're right, it must be sunspots and conspiracy.

[GodSpeedLuc]

the world undergoes climate changes in many several different cycles throughout time. and we have been overdue for a climate change. the only affect that global warming has on it is the fact that it's only speeding up the process. so it is in fact real and existent, however, it is not really the magnitude of which they portray it in. we all know how the weather certainly is getting different around certain parts of the world, however, it's not solely because global warming is causing it all. it is stemmed from the world's cycle of a natural climate change which usually takes a prolonged period of time however, with the ozone layer in our atmosphere being affected a good part of it by man, global warming, rather than naturally as it would through a much longer period of time, we are only undergoing a faster cycle of that climate change. so in essence yes, it does exist, but not as the way we are generally thinking it is. it's only brought up so much now like it's all our fault because they are really pushing for alternate means which look to affect in many more circumstances with greater concern right now (such as nation relations and global resources distribution) than our weather (since the weather is still by far controlled by nature rather than what we think or as they try to make us think that's it all us). expect to see europe with colder weather than usual and north america warmer. once the cycle is complete the ice caps will have been shifted and restored (earth is undergoing a shift in its tilt during this cycle. this is what's causing the ice caps, in the natural way, and obviously only speeding up through our contribution to the ozone layer, or "global warming," to melt as their current locations are being drawn closer to the sun). the ocean will rise in the meantime while the cycle is occurring in order to compensate for the climate change as obviously the currents and weather affect each other. as far as CO2 levels, they are what give that affect to the ozone layer. and in the past, they were indeed existent among the many past climate cycles in order for them to actually occur. but like i said, since everything was gradual, it took a much longer time with the lesser co2 levels than we have now. our high co2 level is only what's causing for the faster process of the climate change to occur due to the ozone layer reaching that stage at a much quicker rate. the high rise obviously due to man's contribution, but again, not solely, just naturally in a forced way. it's just like the way we take many other natural things (such as pet breeding) and add man's contribution or twist to it due mostly in part by our dominant place in this world. we will never overcome nature, but we can still significantly influence it as we are doing so more and more effectively in proportion to the growing number of our human presence.

just my .02. correct me please any experts out there where i may have slightly misinterpreted something but that's pretty much where I stand to believe as far as my research studies and knowledge.

[Rushiku]

The ozone layer problem is unrelated to the CO2 level problem, other than the detrimental effect both have on all (current) life on Earth.

The ozone layer is a high level (10 to 50 km above the Earth) layer of O3 (aka: ozone, go figure), but the concentration of the layer is quite low - if the ozone layer were compressed to sealevel pressures, it would only be a few millimeters thick. The ozone layer shields the surface of Earth from almost 99% of the sun's damaging UV radiation. Part of the problem is that O3 is unstable and would prefer to be O2 (garden variety atomspheric oxygen).

Refrigerants and propellants, such as R-11 & R-12 (Chlorofluorocarbons or CFCs), love to briefly bond with O3 and rip off an O, turning it to O2, which does nothing to shield us from UV. Here's the real problem: CFC molecules are extremely tough and have no 'predators' in nature, so they 'live' long enough to float up to the ozone layer, where they start ripping apart O3 molecules - one CFC molecule will destroy some 100,000 or more O3 molecules before it is itself destroyed, by radiation from the sun, no less.

With a ratio of 100,000 to 1, it doesn't take long to deplete the ozone layer, opening holes - such as the hole over the Antartic region. With no protection, the living organisms under such holes don't stand a chance against the Sun's radiation and die.
This works it's way up the food chain in the form of starvation (eg: you don't get any corn chips if the Sun killed all the corn) and becomes a bad situation for all.