Helmetless motorcycle riders = organ donors?

[SueMc]

Originally Posted by HavBlue

How did he break his jaw with the full face helmet on? Did the helmet break or was it possibly the wrong size?

The helmet functioned exactly as it should, it was just the force and angle of the impact. When he hit the car (almost at a sideways angle), his head went up and to the side and his shoulder went down. He didn't have any road rash, as he didn't slide, he just came to a stop against the car. In addition to the head injuries, the force of the sudden stop ruptured his aorta and resulted in a brachial plexus injury (that's like a partial "unplugging" of the nerves that control the chest, shoulder and arm).

He was several years in recovery and physical therapy.

[Hollywood416]

IN all honesty after getting used to wearing my helmet again. I can't stand to be w/o it unless I am just going to the Jiffy and doing less than 30mph. If I have to go any further/faster the wind noise just drives me crazy besides the fact that after about 15 miles with no helmet it makes my ears start to tingle like how your skin feels when it goes to sleep.

[Numpty]

Originally Posted by adumb

let the people do what they want... as long as people are still picking up smoking as a hobby then i think helmet law is way down on the list as far as what would save more people.

I disagree if you die from smoking your body is relatively still in tact but if you crash off your bike into something hard with no helmet on, SPLAT and some poor bugger has to pick up the pieces .

[wrightme43]

I know I say this everytime.

If you dont wear a helmet your a freaking idiot.
Helmet laws are stupid too. All you get is a bunch of people wearing salad bowls on top of their heads. Most of them not even DOT approved. You have to fly thru the air like a freaking javalin for the DOT salad bowls to be effective.

Fullface helmets FTW!!!

Dont make ANOTHER stupid law about it though. Educate the riders. This is your face on pavement. This is your face after beeing wacked by a lugnut. This is your face after hitting a curb.

Adults dont have to wear life jackets.

[wrightme43]

If the law is so freaking effective like the IITS says 35% less deaths, with just making people wear salad bowls, what would happen if everyone wore fullface?

Here is the real kicker. 50% of single motorcycle fatals are over .08% BAC. Lets outlaw drinking and riding. Oh wait.

A large percentage of deaths are do to cagers turning left into a rider with right of way. Lets outlaw violating right of way. Oh wait.

Laws are used as a tax. The do not prevent the behavior, just punish the behavior by taking money or in a real bad case a few days in jail.

Education, and a culture of peers saying he man, riding with out a helmet is freaking STUPID!!!!!!!! What the hell is wrong with you? No you cant ride with us with out one. That is effective.

[a_sick1]

here is some good advice...

wear a $10 helmet if you have a $10 head

unless you are a

[fast blue one]

as a 16 year old a helmet saved me. After coming off on a diesel spill I went down an embankment. At the end of the tumble I was unable to see through the visor and the paintwork was a mess. Now if I had no helmet on................................................

[mdr]

Originally Posted by Numpty

I disagree if you die from smoking your body is relatively still in tact but if you crash off your bike into something hard with no helmet on, SPLAT and some poor bugger has to pick up the pieces .

Well, if you were the organ recipient, would you rather have the biker's organs or the smoker's. I'd pick the biker's. Ever see the inside of a heavy smoker? Not pretty even if they haven't developed cancer (yet). My mother, god-father and father-in-law died of lung cancer so I'm a bit biased on this topic.

[Jericho941]

Originally Posted by lonesoldier84

i ride my bicycle with a helmet. i am not underestimating it. i am saying when i see others riding bicycles without helmets i can understand why. i didnt wear one as a kid and now i felt some stigma about wearing one as an adult. but motorcycles is a different ballgame entirely. thats what i meant. i agree with all of your points and the spirit of your post relating to bicycle helmets. as for the rest of it about laws. it has to do with your view on the role of government. either you feel it is there to protect citizens that are unable to protect themselves. or you feel it needs to stay out. i am of the former (to an extent but that extent is beyond helmets. they should be mandatory)

Your argument either is self contradicting or you don't belive that an adult is able to protect himself. The only just helmet law would be one that applied to minors as it is hardly arguable that they have good judgement. What you are arguing is that the government is obligated to "protect" those that don't want to protect themselves. This is patently different.

I'm certain that the various governments of the members here have stated over and over again that it is not their role to protect people on an individual basis. Government can only claim to protect people but obvious high crime rates in places where people have signed away their security to the government show it's consistant inability to protect helpless people.

In addition to social pro-helmet influence being effective, I'm certain that legislation that would allow an insurance company to default on a policy where the operator of the bike was injured while not wearing a helmet, would effecively encourage helmet use. This solution would help keep the policy rates of smart riders down.

The stupid and reckless will always willfully ignore sound wisdom and reap the payment of fool's errands.

[adumb]

anybody know the actual total numbers of deaths that are motorcycle riders. helmet, no helmet, car involved or not what is the total number of all them combined? i tired to get a answer but ya just get so much crap when trying to search nowadays