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Old 09-18-2008, 10:20 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: So newb I still don't know what heppened...

read Twist of the Wrist II - by Keith Code...it will explain..I won't tell you, you have to read it!

+1 to most responses here...get all braking done before the turn...then read the book
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:21 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: So newb I still don't know what heppened...

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Braking on the apex of a bend?????????
Do all your braking and gears on the approach and accelerate out.

Your narrative makes it sound that all the other road users are dorks apart from you.

The point is that it was nearly you spread all over the wilderness.

What does it tell you?????

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Have to agree with all of this...front brake applied in the middle of a turn is not good, especially if it's a "panic brake" and you grab a fist full, everything get's outta wack, one fork leg wants to compress more than the other, normally the one closest to the road, then it all gets unbalanced, and the front wheel tucks, before you know it you have hopefully only low sided it.

Keep to the back brake whilst leant over, a little bit going in, will settle the back down, but too much will also unbalance the bike. A little bit of back brake out of a turn, can also be helpful for good traction....Well this is how it works for me anyway.

Stay upright.
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Old 10-05-2008, 09:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: So newb I still don't know what heppened...

+10 to all the 'read Keith Code "Twist of the Wrist II" suggestions' out there.

The little jerk you felt that snapped your foot off the peg was what I call a 'feint highside'.

As others have said here, get your braking done before the turn, initiate the turn with a push on the bars and smooothly roll on the throttle to bring you back upright through the end of the turn. This will keep your rear wheel loaded.

If you feel the rear wheel slide a bit in mid-turn, don't panic, stay balanced and on the throttle, for if you let off the throttle or get on the brake, you are going to shift the load to your front wheel.

If you do anything to move that load to the front wheel while in mid-turn, it could skid, and then regain traction - and that is what you felt - what I am calling a 'feint highside', what it feels like to almost high side.

If the 'skid, then regain traction' happens with greater force, or higher speed, then you get the classic high side where the rider gets flipped off the bike.

Watch a couple GP races from earlier this year and you'll see what I mean (I think the 2008 Laguna Seca MotoGP has a Yamaha rider highsiding, BTW it's not Rossi, but during this race, he pulls off a sick inside pass for the lead).
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:32 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: So newb I still don't know what heppened...

The good news is you kept it upright and finished the ride on two wheels. Like the others have said...

Watch those manhole covers, even if dry. Any metal - manhole covers, metal plates at construction sites, metal expansion joints on bridges, cattle guards - can cause you to lose traction, especially if rolling on the throttle, like from a stop, and when leaning in a turn. This past summer I was entering Theodore Roosevelt National Park where there's a cattle guard at the entrance. I backed off a little to let a very slow moving vehicle get far enough ahead of me so that I could gain some momentum to get up the incline and across that cattle guard without slowing/stopping. When my rear wheel hit that cattle guard it was like being on a dyno machine. The engine rev'd up as my rear wheel momentarily spun on the smooth steel bars.
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Re: So newb I still don't know what heppened...

i am noob like u. i try to push myself a little like you. but i never go at a speed where i cannot see every possible obstacle/risk and account for it. over 100 mph in a turn does not let you do that.

we are noobs. bikes are fun. turning is easy. emergency reactions are not easy. you will crash when your emergency reactions are lacking. slow down. you can still push yourself safely.
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